{"id":35359,"date":"2015-01-25T15:49:11","date_gmt":"2015-01-25T14:49:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/pointblanknews.com\/pbn\/?p=35359"},"modified":"2015-01-25T15:49:11","modified_gmt":"2015-01-25T14:49:11","slug":"grave-danger-voting-buhari-pa-ayo-adebanjo-says-certificate-tenable","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pointblanknews.com\/pbn\/exclusive\/grave-danger-voting-buhari-pa-ayo-adebanjo-says-certificate-tenable\/","title":{"rendered":"The Grave Danger In Voting Buhari-Pa Ayo Adebanjo, Says His Certificate Not tenable"},"content":{"rendered":"

Pa Ayo Adebanjo, a leader of the Yoruba group, Afenifere, was a top member<\/span>
of the Action Group, led by the late Chief Obafemi Awolowo, in the first<\/span>
republic. He also belonged to the Awolowo \u2013 led Unity Party of Nigeria<\/span>
(UPN) in the second republic. At the inception of the latest democratic<\/span>
experiment in 1999, he joined the late Pa Abraham Adesanya and Chief Bola<\/span>
Ige, among others, to form the Alliance for Democracy which dominated the<\/span>
governments in the South-west. In this interview, he speaks on the state<\/span>
of the nation.<\/span>

Afenifere, unlike before, is no longer active. What is happening?<\/span>

Afenifere is still very active. In fact, very soon, we are going to meet<\/span>
in Akure, Ondo State.<\/span>

It no longer as vibrant as it was<\/span>

Well, I am sure that would be because of the press. You are light on to<\/span>
the world, just like the motto of the defunct West African Pilot. There is<\/span>
no doubt that there is some kind of division among us caused by some<\/span>
rebels who didn\u2019t want the right thing to be done, because we are strictly<\/span>
Awolowo\u2019s disciples,undiluted. We don\u2019t modify Awo\u2019s principles for our<\/span>
own interest, progressive is progressive; not progressive today and<\/span>
conservative tomorrow. Those who were never progressives, the moment they<\/span>
join you, they automatically become progressives.<\/span>

How are you resolving the challenge of people trying to twist the<\/span>
principles of Awo?<\/span>

We shall continue to say what is right for people to decipher. There are<\/span>
no two ways about it. What we are doing now is to ensure that you people<\/span>
follow the right path. The principle of Afenifere leaders, particularly<\/span>
myself, is to tell you the truth because lying and falsification of things<\/span>
have dominated the country.<\/span>

But there are a lot of people now calling themselves progressives?<\/span>

I will say all those ones are fake. All those the people in the then ACN<\/span>
that is now APC are fake progressives.<\/span>

How?<\/span>

They are fake in the sense that they don\u2019t pursue the principles of Awolowo.<\/span>
Take, for instance, the issue of federalism, you know we were part and<\/span>
parcel of National Democratic Coalition, NADECO. And during the NADECO<\/span>
days, we were the only ones shouting about the issue of Sovereign National<\/span>
Conference for the restructuring of the country because the federation was<\/span>
an awkward one. It was not balanced. And it was because the military<\/span>
choked us in 1966. The Constitution the colonialists gave us at<\/span>
independence was jettisoned after the 1966 coup. And that is why you saw<\/span>
arbitrary creation of states and local government areas because the people<\/span>
there were northerners. And we said we don\u2019t want the country to separate;<\/span>
for us all to live in peace, let us all sit down and restructure the<\/span>
country on the principle of federalism. Federalism is the system whereby<\/span>
the various ethnic nationalities that formed the country can grow at their<\/span>
own space and then still keep the country as one, that was what we<\/span>
insisted upon. You would also remember when Abdulsalami; Abubakar (former<\/span>
Head of State) said we should go for election, and we said no, we should<\/span>
first of all hold a conference that would lead to a new Constitution which<\/span>
we would all be happy about, but he said, \u2018No, I am in a hurry, when you<\/span>
get your civilian government, you can go and do it\u2019. That was why one was<\/span>
held during the Obasanjo time. All those with us during the NADECO time<\/span>
that insisted on National Conference are the same set of people saying now<\/span>
that the Goodlock Jonathan conference was a diversion. That was what Bola<\/span>
Tinubu said. I have said it before, let him challenge it. Sovereign<\/span>
National Conference was one of the manifestoes we used in electing him<\/span>
into office as governor of Lagos State. It was part of the Alliance for<\/span>
Democracy that there must be a National conference. When we won elections<\/span>
in 1999, it was because we reluctantly took part in the election because<\/span>
we didn\u2019t want people we didn\u2019t believe in to win elections in South-West<\/span>
and claim later that we were not representing the South-West. That was why<\/span>
we contested the elections so that everybody could see that we had the<\/span>
support of the people. After the elections, all the six states in the<\/span>
South-West where we had our governors, Afenifere leaders toured the Houses<\/span>
of Assembly led by late Papa Abraham Adesanya, for them to pass a<\/span>
resolution that there must be a National Conference. Tinubu was there. Now<\/span>
because something does not suit him, because he has some motive now, he<\/span>
says the National Conference was a diversion. Is that consistent with our<\/span>
policy? Now, what you find these days is imposition of candidates which is<\/span>
against the principle of Awolowo. Take the issue of free education, you<\/span>
hear free education in Lagos, have you been to their primary and secondary<\/span>
schools and see the number of children there? Can you find any of the<\/span>
children of these ministers in any of the public schools? Is that what<\/span>
they inherited? It is matter of principle. This is what separated us the<\/span>
Afenifere from the ACN who called them selves progressives. It is not a<\/span>
personal thing.<\/span>

Where do the Yoruba people stand in the February elections?<\/span>

I think that would also be a matter of principle. The question of<\/span>
South-south is a matter of principle of Papa Awolowo that a minority would<\/span>
also have the right to aim for the highest position in the country. That<\/span>
was what I was trying to point out about the recent National Conference we<\/span>
had. That conference has taken care of everything concerning Nigeria. Like<\/span>
the issue of power, it is no longer going to be the North-west, whenever<\/span>
it get to the North, it must rotate within all other regions in the North.<\/span>
The same thing for the South, it is no longer about South-west but all<\/span>
other regions in the South such that everybody now knows when each of the<\/span>
regions would be president, it is no longer the issue of we are born to<\/span>
rule. Why I am supporting Jonathan is because he is the only man who can<\/span>
implement the recommendations of the National Conference which was set up<\/span>
to bring equity to Yorubaland and to Nigeria.<\/span>
He is the only man. And once he does that, all these things we are<\/span>
complaining about will be rectified. People talk about corruption but they<\/span>
never care to know the root of corruption. The thing is that the Federal<\/span>
Government has more money than all other tiers of government. Now, we have<\/span>
closed that gap in the confab. We have done it in such a way that the<\/span>
states now have more powers which may not be palatable to those ones in<\/span>
the North. For example, how did you have more local government areas than<\/span>
the South? How are the local governments in Kano and Jigawa more than<\/span>
those in Lagos? The military at that time just allocated states and local<\/span>
governments to themselves. There was really no criteria with which they<\/span>
arrived at those local governments. So, they now went further by<\/span>
allocating funds on the basis of the number of local governments. You will<\/span>
recall that Lagos State was denied local government funds even when the<\/span>
Supreme Court ruled that it should be paid. That is the kind of wholesome<\/span>
power the Federal Government has,and that is one of the reasons I feared<\/span>
if Buhari should govern under this Constitution.<\/span>

Why?<\/span>

Because they have the mentality that they are born to rule. And that is<\/span>
why I think this romance with the South-west of picking a vice<\/span>
presidential candidate with him is just a mere gimmick. That is why I am<\/span>
insisting that all the recommendations of the confab should be implemented<\/span>
before the elections because, the inequality this country has been<\/span>
suffering all this while has been rectified with the recommendations of<\/span>
the confab. All the things that could cause us conflicts have been<\/span>
rectified. So, all our problems have been attacked from the root. And,<\/span>
that is why those who think it is not to their advantage don\u2019t want it<\/span>
done. Everybody believes that this present Constitution is bad and we then<\/span>
say let us all sit down and harmonize it,what is wrong in that one? We<\/span>
have done it now but yet you don\u2019t want it to be implemented. And where is<\/span>
the antagonism coming from ? From the beneficiaries of the awkwardness of<\/span>
the constitution. And they still want the Yoruba to continue to go along<\/span>
with that? If some Yoruba follow them sheepishly, probably because they<\/span>
don\u2019t know the background, that can not happen to someone like me. And<\/span>
part of the inequality we are talking about is what has come out in the<\/span>
Buhari certificate matter. In the first republic, you set up a standard<\/span>
for everybody but when it comes to the northerner, you set another<\/span>
standard, that is exactly what happened in Buhari\u2019s case. Those of us who<\/span>
knew all these things from the beginning are not surprised by the new turn<\/span>
of events. You heard that his principal sent a letter to the military that<\/span>
he was capable and that he expected that he would pass his examinations.<\/span>
That was what was happening in those days in the North. Go and ask serious<\/span>
federal civil servants in this country, many of the permanent secretaries<\/span>
that were senior to them whether they were not superseded without being<\/span>
qualified. They cannot deny that. If you have read General Isama\u2019s book,<\/span>
you will find it there where he said when they were about to be<\/span>
commissioned, the standard set for them was usually lower for the North. I<\/span>
am sure he never anticipated a situation like this.<\/span>
And do we have corruption on selective basis? Look at the PTF which he<\/span>
superintended. Even though Obasanjo was trying to cover him up, has he<\/span>
denied anything of such? He knows that if he does, the document is there<\/span>
for everyone to see. There was the issue of the N25b there. It is all in<\/span>
the report. So, how can I, as a NADECO man, come and support a dictator.<\/span>
All his antecedents are dictatorial and military like.<\/span>


That was then.<\/span>

Don\u2019t give me that. When did he become a democrat? What has he done to<\/span>
show he is a democrat other than the fact he is saying he is being<\/span>
punished because he is now a democrat? When he first came as a military<\/span>
man, he was issuing retroactive actions to convict people for murder. We<\/span>
are all living witnesses to what he did with Decree 4, so, that is the<\/span>
type of man you want me to vote in a civilian regime? He says he is not a<\/span>
fundamentalist. It is just that people forget about records easily. Here<\/span>
was a man who campaigned in the North and said Muslims should vote for<\/span>
Muslims. Here was a man who said he was going to work for the operation of<\/span>
Sharia through out the country. He has not denied it neither has he<\/span>
apologized for all the anti-democratic things he has done. I won\u2019t be<\/span>
deceived by bringing a first class technocrat as running mate.<\/span>

That is where I was going that if you cannot support because of Buhari\u2019s<\/span>
personality, how about that of his vice?<\/span>

That is not possible because the running mate has no political experience.<\/span>
He is a first class technocrat, a distinguished lawyer and a nice<\/span>
gentleman, but if you are talking of politics, it is another matter<\/span>
entirely. They just brought him in. Tinubu brought him in as Attorney<\/span>
General, he was never in politics. He comes from Ikenne. Does he know the<\/span>
politics of Ikenne?<\/span>
So, the South-West may be making a mistake.<\/span>
Exactly, there is no doubt about that, that they will be making a big<\/span>
mistake and digging their graves. They may not listen but, I, Ayo<\/span>
Adebanjo, is telling them. I am 87 years old, I can die any moment, so<\/span>
that when ever it happened, they would be able to say that indeed, that<\/span>
man told us. Buhari is only deceiving them . Go and read what Wole Soyinka<\/span>
said about him in 2001. Has it changed? Go and read what El- Rufai said<\/span>
about him in 2002 that he is not electable. These are the same people<\/span>
polishing him. When I look at the whole scenario, I feel sorry for this<\/span>
country.<\/span>

But, it is like Yoruba are irrevocably committed to following Buhari<\/span>
through Tinubu.<\/span>

I don\u2019t believe Yoruba are following Tinubu. There are so many factors<\/span>
that made him win election in those days. When it comes to these facts, it<\/span>
is now left for the Yoruba to decide. Those of us who suffered<\/span>
imprisonment during the NADECO days under Abacha , Tinubu was not around.<\/span>
To those of us who were really victims of dictatorship, you cannot send<\/span>
Buhari to us. I don\u2019t know those who are now doing chop chop politics.<\/span>
From the beginning, we were never those who believe than military person<\/span>
should come and rule under a civilian regime and that was one of the<\/span>
reasons the Yoruba strongly voted against Obasanjo in 1999. It was the<\/span>
military that imposed Obasanjo on us, because it was Babangida and<\/span>
Abdulsalami that brought him and imposed him on us. They may have<\/span>
disagreement later because Obasanjo didn\u2019t perform. It was Obasanjo that<\/span>
brought Yar\u2019Adua, he brought Jonathan.<\/span>

The old brigade in the Afenifere are the real progressives according to<\/span>
you because you are the authentic Awolowo\u2019s follows. Is it not an irony<\/span>
now that instead of the South-west following people like you, they are<\/span>
following Tinubu and his \u2018progressive\u2019 party?<\/span>

That is left for them. I have given all the facts. This is a democracy.<\/span>
With all we are saying, you and I know that we are suffering here in<\/span>
Lagos. I am Fashola\u2019s fan, I won\u2019t say he has not done well but, those of<\/span>
us who created his predecessor, Tinubu, know that he could do better for<\/span>
Lagos, that is what we are saying. You may not appreciate what is<\/span>
happening now except you remember the Western Region where things moved<\/span>
well. A man ruled the Western Region for seven years without strike. He<\/span>
introduced free education when our income was barely five and a half<\/span>
million pounds including Edo and Delta at that time by share economic<\/span>
ingenuity. Is that what we are having now? You have people who do job of<\/span>
N50m and say it is N250m and yet, the people would be saying he has done a<\/span>
good job. With all that is being done in Lagos, some of us have asked the<\/span>
question,how much does it cost? What is the revenue of Lagos, both the<\/span>
internally generated and the allocation? And yet, we are still owing that<\/span>
much debt. And yet we have to pay for tolls. I am not contesting election<\/span>
for anybody to vote for me, all I am saying is for posterity. Where they<\/span>
have done well, I say it, where they are wrong, I say it as well. When<\/span>
they talk of corruption in Jonathan government, I won\u2019t say the government<\/span>
is clean, but those who are talking about corruption, how clean are they<\/span>
themselves? This is the question and yet these are the same people you<\/span>
journalists extol to high heavens. Are you saying there is no corruption<\/span>
in Lagos State? The only job we have now is to reform this country and<\/span>
urge Jonathan to implement the recommendations of the confab so that we<\/span>
can all start on a clean slate. There may have been a lot of<\/span>
irregularities in the past and it is the irregularities that people are<\/span>
fighting. Everybody must have autonomy to rule itself and we all combine<\/span>
at the centre for what joins us together. If we had no federal system,<\/span>
Awolowo could not have done what he did in the Western Region.<\/span>

So INEC should just allow Buhari to run the election and forget about the<\/span>
certificate?<\/span>

I don\u2019t know. Don\u2019t put words into my mouth, that is left for INEC to<\/span>
prove if indeed he has the certificate; otherwise he is not qualified.<\/span>

He is not qualified?<\/span>

That is what the law says. It is not me. You journalists must be honest to<\/span>
this nation. You are not doing me any favour neither are you doing the<\/span>
country any good by trying to plaster what should not be plastered. What<\/span>
the law says is this: You must have a school certificate before you can<\/span>
qualify.<\/span>

But the school has presented that now?<\/span>

This is not the kind of certificate I have. I don\u2019t think this one is<\/span>
tenable. If they can be fooled, I cannot. That is why I think Jega should<\/span>
come in. Though Jega doesn\u2019t want to be seen as supporting anybody, from<\/span>
the law that he is expected to implement, Buhari has not satisfied the<\/span>
Constitution. Jega is only trying to shift responsibility by saying people<\/span>
opposed to Buhari\u2019s qualification for the polls should go to court. I<\/span>
heard the APC saying Buhari has been contesting election for the past 12<\/span>
years and nobody said anything about it, why now? And my answer in form of<\/span>
question is, if someone has been committing robbery and getting away with<\/span>
it, the day he is caught, you are now asking, why has not been caught all<\/span>
this while?<\/span>

Are you saying it is as good as INEC disqualifying the man based on what<\/span>
is on ground?<\/span>

Except you are saying the law should not be obeyed. The law is not made<\/span>
for fun. We should not be sentimental about this thing. That is why we say<\/span>
there are two standards, one for Ayo Adebanjo and one for Buhari. That is<\/span>
what is happening in the secondary schools. When they say examination<\/span>
cut-off mark is this but lower cut-off mark for those in the North, that<\/span>
is the kind of thing we have been going through since amalgamation and we<\/span>
have been shouting that let us educate the people of the North, but they<\/span>
don\u2019t want to be educated as we are, yet they want to be qualified as we<\/span>
are.<\/span>

You are 87 now and mummy is 85, what is the secret of your longevity?<\/span>

It is about honesty. We are at peace with our minds. I won\u2019t see black and<\/span>
call it white because of monetary gain. It is the grace of God. Although I<\/span>
try to eat well and exercise, all still amounts to the grace of God.<\/span>

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